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		<title>By: LYNN</title>
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		<dc:creator>LYNN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Sep 2010 08:54:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Matt Jones</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 15:30:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like I said, Isaac, while I never found Everybody Loves Raymond worthwhile, my problem isn&#039;t necessarily with that show, but just how many reinterations of that sitcom formula there have been. To be fair, since I always found that show very repellant, I never got a chance to see any character development or anything else about the show. So you&#039;d know better than I would.

You&#039;re right though, just being different for the sake of different will do nothing for quality. That&#039;s the other side of the &quot;following the safe formula will do nothing for quality&quot; coin.

And holy hell, are you ever right about According to Jim.

Thanks for your feedback.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like I said, Isaac, while I never found Everybody Loves Raymond worthwhile, my problem isn&#8217;t necessarily with that show, but just how many reinterations of that sitcom formula there have been. To be fair, since I always found that show very repellant, I never got a chance to see any character development or anything else about the show. So you&#8217;d know better than I would.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re right though, just being different for the sake of different will do nothing for quality. That&#8217;s the other side of the &#8220;following the safe formula will do nothing for quality&#8221; coin.</p>
<p>And holy hell, are you ever right about According to Jim.</p>
<p>Thanks for your feedback.</p>
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		<title>By: Isaac</title>
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		<dc:creator>Isaac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 04:40:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also would like to add my vote for Everybody Loves Raymond. It&#039;s a pretty funny show and I don&#039;t think it&#039;s a fair example of what is wrong with television. I don&#039;t expect everything to re-invent the wheel. Sure there are lots of shows with a similar format to Everybody Loves Raymond, but it was a well written, creative show with funny jokes and well developed characters.

I know Everybody Loves Raymond had nothing to do with the point of the article, but still I think it&#039;s a fine show. The shows that are really bad are the ones that are too familiar and have no creativity. I also think that being diffrent or original isn&#039;t the be-all and end-all. There are lots of shows out there that are like nothing I&#039;ve seen before, but still suck. Same goes for music and movies. Being different just for the sake of it is, to me anyway, as annoying and lame as being derivative.

A better example of a lame duck sitcom would be: According to Jim</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also would like to add my vote for Everybody Loves Raymond. It&#8217;s a pretty funny show and I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s a fair example of what is wrong with television. I don&#8217;t expect everything to re-invent the wheel. Sure there are lots of shows with a similar format to Everybody Loves Raymond, but it was a well written, creative show with funny jokes and well developed characters.</p>
<p>I know Everybody Loves Raymond had nothing to do with the point of the article, but still I think it&#8217;s a fine show. The shows that are really bad are the ones that are too familiar and have no creativity. I also think that being diffrent or original isn&#8217;t the be-all and end-all. There are lots of shows out there that are like nothing I&#8217;ve seen before, but still suck. Same goes for music and movies. Being different just for the sake of it is, to me anyway, as annoying and lame as being derivative.</p>
<p>A better example of a lame duck sitcom would be: According to Jim</p>
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		<title>By: Isaac</title>
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		<dc:creator>Isaac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 19:53:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really enjoyed this article. It&#039;s a topic that I feel very strongly about and have spent countless hours bitching about it with with my friends.

As a fan of music, TV and movies it&#039;s truly frustrating that the industries seem to be run by people who have no perception of what is good (or they just don&#039;t care). In their world Dane Cook is a better comedian than David Cross because he makes more millions, Twilight has redefined what the vampire is, not because of some great addition to the mythos, but because of the money it makes and Nickelback is the best band of the decade.

I liked your alien life analogy. I&#039;m sure there must be decent execs out there, but it sure seems like anytime something of worth is released it is in spite of the shitty execs, not because of them. It also sure seems like any time something different and exciting takes off, like a hit movie or great new band, The executives decide that the art was a success because of some stupid superficial reason. 

Nirvan is my favourite go to example, and I&#039;m glad you used it. Was nirvana big because they wrote songs that people connected to or were they big because they wore flannel, were from Seattle and played loud? Most people would say they like Nirvana because they enjoy the music, but soon after Nirvana hit the big time executives were signing bands from seattle who had been together for a week and hadn&#039;t even played any shows. There are lots of stories of a point in the early 90&#039;s when they were giving away record contracts on the streets of Seattle like Peta fliers. Everyone in town had a record deal, but the only bands people remember from that era are the good ones. Still, it seems every new exec that comes along makes the same mistakes. If there was a powerful exec out there who only signed artists he thought were of worth, I wonder would he be broke or would he be the most successful guy in the industry?

I guess what I&#039;m trying to say is: I loved this article and I totally agree with you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really enjoyed this article. It&#8217;s a topic that I feel very strongly about and have spent countless hours bitching about it with with my friends.</p>
<p>As a fan of music, TV and movies it&#8217;s truly frustrating that the industries seem to be run by people who have no perception of what is good (or they just don&#8217;t care). In their world Dane Cook is a better comedian than David Cross because he makes more millions, Twilight has redefined what the vampire is, not because of some great addition to the mythos, but because of the money it makes and Nickelback is the best band of the decade.</p>
<p>I liked your alien life analogy. I&#8217;m sure there must be decent execs out there, but it sure seems like anytime something of worth is released it is in spite of the shitty execs, not because of them. It also sure seems like any time something different and exciting takes off, like a hit movie or great new band, The executives decide that the art was a success because of some stupid superficial reason. </p>
<p>Nirvan is my favourite go to example, and I&#8217;m glad you used it. Was nirvana big because they wrote songs that people connected to or were they big because they wore flannel, were from Seattle and played loud? Most people would say they like Nirvana because they enjoy the music, but soon after Nirvana hit the big time executives were signing bands from seattle who had been together for a week and hadn&#8217;t even played any shows. There are lots of stories of a point in the early 90&#8217;s when they were giving away record contracts on the streets of Seattle like Peta fliers. Everyone in town had a record deal, but the only bands people remember from that era are the good ones. Still, it seems every new exec that comes along makes the same mistakes. If there was a powerful exec out there who only signed artists he thought were of worth, I wonder would he be broke or would he be the most successful guy in the industry?</p>
<p>I guess what I&#8217;m trying to say is: I loved this article and I totally agree with you.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Jones</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 16:11:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You make good points, and I agree with a lot of them. I tried to make the point a few times throughout that we can&#039;t just paint executives as scumbags (the suggestion at the end is obviously very much in the vein of Jonathan Swift). But the good contributions of executives are simply information that we don&#039;t have. Good contributions by executives are like alien life. It&#039;s reasonable to assume they&#039;re out there, but we have no proof of it. But we do know that, as I said, we&#039;ve been denied a lot of culture and creativity due to &quot;safe&quot; practices.

Even though I hate it, I don&#039;t begrudge people liking Everybody Loves Raymond (and it was very successful). My problem is that it&#039;s just that same, safe, tired sitcom formula. It broke no new ground. And the problem isn&#039;t that show on its own. It&#039;s that there are so many of those shows that things rarely move forward (the follow the leader argument again).

Your list of shark jumping shows was something I touched on (but maybe should have expanded on) when talking about Arrested Development. Sometimes shows that only last a short while get exactly as long as they need, regardless of what fans want. And that&#039;s fine. But shows evolve. It&#039;s not that the first few seasons of Seinfeld are unappreciated; they&#039;re just not as good as the show would become. A lot of shows that were cut off in their infancy may have developed into something truly special if given time.

And, you&#039;re right, the mass audience&#039;s non-adventurous viewing habits do play a big role. But that&#039;s a much larger, and much preachier article than I felt up to writing. :) Thanks for reading.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You make good points, and I agree with a lot of them. I tried to make the point a few times throughout that we can&#8217;t just paint executives as scumbags (the suggestion at the end is obviously very much in the vein of Jonathan Swift). But the good contributions of executives are simply information that we don&#8217;t have. Good contributions by executives are like alien life. It&#8217;s reasonable to assume they&#8217;re out there, but we have no proof of it. But we do know that, as I said, we&#8217;ve been denied a lot of culture and creativity due to &#8220;safe&#8221; practices.</p>
<p>Even though I hate it, I don&#8217;t begrudge people liking Everybody Loves Raymond (and it was very successful). My problem is that it&#8217;s just that same, safe, tired sitcom formula. It broke no new ground. And the problem isn&#8217;t that show on its own. It&#8217;s that there are so many of those shows that things rarely move forward (the follow the leader argument again).</p>
<p>Your list of shark jumping shows was something I touched on (but maybe should have expanded on) when talking about Arrested Development. Sometimes shows that only last a short while get exactly as long as they need, regardless of what fans want. And that&#8217;s fine. But shows evolve. It&#8217;s not that the first few seasons of Seinfeld are unappreciated; they&#8217;re just not as good as the show would become. A lot of shows that were cut off in their infancy may have developed into something truly special if given time.</p>
<p>And, you&#8217;re right, the mass audience&#8217;s non-adventurous viewing habits do play a big role. But that&#8217;s a much larger, and much preachier article than I felt up to writing. <img src='http://www.unfilteredsmoke.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  Thanks for reading.</p>
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		<title>By: Jawnpee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jawnpee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 14:51:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Although you have good examples and a valid point it is still true that you have not had access to the in-company newsletters highlighting the positives of certain executive decisions.

I have none to offer but I have to believe there are positive things done by execs.  It&#039;s a case of not knowing what we had until it&#039;s gone.  We only see the drastic change of a canceled show, shitty album, actor change, poor sequel and unbelievable reboot.

It&#039;s true that Batman Begins was a good decision and the sequel worked for it but you are right that one success will often lead to many more disappointments.

I&#039;m feeling sad for the executives who are doing a good job.  I don&#039;t know who they are or what they&#039;ve done.  I&#039;m at a loss for major works that succeeded at the hands of executives and my head is full of disappointing moments such as your examples and so many more.

I watched Firefly when it aired out of order.  I enjoyed the lame show that followed it, John Doe.  Invasion had a heart breaking saga to complete just one phenomenal season. Yet, I cringe at the amount of shark jumping that other shows have to do because they keep getting renewed.  I really feel like the crew of Lost have fell into their own premise.  24 had a real dry spell that replaced true tension with torture, both literal and figurative.  Prison Break should have ended with them breaking out of prison, although the writer&#039;s strike cut short 3rd season was a good fit that revived the show&#039;s spirit for a short time.

I know it&#039;s not only about TV and I&#039;m meandering here but I was touched by your piece.  I&#039;m upset that I now have names to point a finger at.

You wrote a good article and I feel informed on one side of the argument and empty for the other.

I would also have to add that I have always enjoyed Everybody Loves Raymond and acknowledge that American society has more use for day to day life-style acknowledgement than they do for shows that you and I may find funnier.

Hmm, that has made me realize a point.  I&#039;ll end it with my newly derived argument.  The networks aren&#039;t the ones that need to be taking the risks.  In some case, the networks have taken the risk by airing all sorts of shows that I would like.  It is my neighbours who aren&#039;t taking the risk by watching them.  Now we are talking about social change, albeit for lame television purposes.  It&#039;s very hard to break the habits of a TV society.  There will always be a place for indulgent TV, habit forming TV, reality based game shows and addictive storylines, Lost again but ...  but, you know.  It&#039;s not easy to sway.  There can only seem to exist one good thing at a time and lords help you if you fell for the show that aired after Lost. (that was Invasion, BTW).  Simpsons and Futurama and Family Guy.  Too many good shows on at the same time.  I haven&#039;t researched, I&#039;m just reacting from memory here.

Once again, you have touched a soft spot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although you have good examples and a valid point it is still true that you have not had access to the in-company newsletters highlighting the positives of certain executive decisions.</p>
<p>I have none to offer but I have to believe there are positive things done by execs.  It&#8217;s a case of not knowing what we had until it&#8217;s gone.  We only see the drastic change of a canceled show, shitty album, actor change, poor sequel and unbelievable reboot.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s true that Batman Begins was a good decision and the sequel worked for it but you are right that one success will often lead to many more disappointments.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m feeling sad for the executives who are doing a good job.  I don&#8217;t know who they are or what they&#8217;ve done.  I&#8217;m at a loss for major works that succeeded at the hands of executives and my head is full of disappointing moments such as your examples and so many more.</p>
<p>I watched Firefly when it aired out of order.  I enjoyed the lame show that followed it, John Doe.  Invasion had a heart breaking saga to complete just one phenomenal season. Yet, I cringe at the amount of shark jumping that other shows have to do because they keep getting renewed.  I really feel like the crew of Lost have fell into their own premise.  24 had a real dry spell that replaced true tension with torture, both literal and figurative.  Prison Break should have ended with them breaking out of prison, although the writer&#8217;s strike cut short 3rd season was a good fit that revived the show&#8217;s spirit for a short time.</p>
<p>I know it&#8217;s not only about TV and I&#8217;m meandering here but I was touched by your piece.  I&#8217;m upset that I now have names to point a finger at.</p>
<p>You wrote a good article and I feel informed on one side of the argument and empty for the other.</p>
<p>I would also have to add that I have always enjoyed Everybody Loves Raymond and acknowledge that American society has more use for day to day life-style acknowledgement than they do for shows that you and I may find funnier.</p>
<p>Hmm, that has made me realize a point.  I&#8217;ll end it with my newly derived argument.  The networks aren&#8217;t the ones that need to be taking the risks.  In some case, the networks have taken the risk by airing all sorts of shows that I would like.  It is my neighbours who aren&#8217;t taking the risk by watching them.  Now we are talking about social change, albeit for lame television purposes.  It&#8217;s very hard to break the habits of a TV society.  There will always be a place for indulgent TV, habit forming TV, reality based game shows and addictive storylines, Lost again but &#8230;  but, you know.  It&#8217;s not easy to sway.  There can only seem to exist one good thing at a time and lords help you if you fell for the show that aired after Lost. (that was Invasion, BTW).  Simpsons and Futurama and Family Guy.  Too many good shows on at the same time.  I haven&#8217;t researched, I&#8217;m just reacting from memory here.</p>
<p>Once again, you have touched a soft spot.</p>
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