My previous essay entitled “What’s in a thought?” has received criticism from a writer so I thought I would take a few moments to respond. When I first sat down to write my response I did a paragraph by paragraph ‘rebuttal of the rebuttal’ so to speak. Upon having my draft reviewed however, it came to my attention that I had done the exact same review of Matthew Flanagan’s piece that he had done of mine. Besides being far too long, I had failed to offer the reader a solid thesis statement or logical conclusion. I believe Flanagan’s criticism of my piece does the same; in absence of a thesis to suggest otherwise, I believe Flanagan has accidentally written a piece that supports my statements rather than refuting them.
What I understand to be one of Flanagan’s major issues with my statements is that they lack moral grounding. I did, however, ask my reader to put morality aside since I believe it has no place in this argument. That is not to say that I am anti-morals; it is actually quite the opposite. If I had written the piece to offer a personal opinion, it would be much more closely aligned with Flanagan’s rebuttal than the piece I actually wrote. My personal moralistic values are irrelevant in this discussion, however, which is where I dispute Flanagan.
An example of where I believe Flanagan did more to further my point than refute it arises during his discussion of accidental morality. Flanagan offers an example of this condition when he discusses a person firing a gun into a crowd and accidentally killing a serial rapist – a very immoral act. This and other examples are thought provoking but the bottom line still relates to illegal activity, not morals – present, absent, or otherwise. Would it matter if the shooter had sought out the serial rapist in an attempt to protect the public? No, since he will be going to prison for murder either way. Bottom line, it is the action that is punishable, not the thought.
Furthering my point, Flanagan addresses my biggest failure, which was an incoherent attempt to unlink action from thought. It is true that there is no action without thought; I would never dispute this. I have to stand my ground, however, and conclude (once again) that a person’s motivation should have no place in our criminal system. Flanagan raises a good idea when he states that both bias and intent live in our thoughts. This and the coinciding example again miss (yet further) my point. Whether your house burns because you are forgetful or whether it burns because you are an arsonist does not negate the fact that your house is, indeed, a pile of ashes.
Moving on, Flanagan’s point that to ‘censor,’ to ‘influence,’ and to ‘regulate’ are drastically different concepts is an excellent one. The last two seem especially vital to differentiate. Influence: “the act or power of producing an effect without apparent exertion of force or direct exercise of command.”1 Regulate: “to govern or direct according to rule” or “to bring under the control of law or constituted authority.”2 While I am perfectly okay with the idea that education, advertising and the arts influence me, I think I would protest if they could somehow regulate me. In the same turn, I am opposed to hate crime ‘regulations.’ While Flanagan is correct that ‘censorship’ was a poor word choice, I am not any happier with the outcome when he changes the word to ‘regulate.’
Flanagan’s final statement that I reject hate crime legislation because it censors (or ‘regulates’) a person’s thoughts by ‘telling them who to hate and who not to’ could not be further from the truth. Somehow my point was lost on at least one reader. All together now: “Mary rejects hate crime legislation because the motivation does not change the end outcome.” As for the extreme yet logical conclusion that my article suggested pedophiles should be free to prey on children, I think what Flanagan meant to ask was “Why are you supporting this Nazi policy” of healthcare reform? My response would, of course, be much more polite than Barney Frank.
Despite offering a series of ideas that refuted my paper point by point, I was unable to find Flanagan’s, well, point. My point is that with all of his theoretical examples, he helped to further my agenda which was that, in a discussion of the legal system, both morals and motivation are irrelevant. These are just my thoughts: sacred to me, but hopefully very (unimportant) to you – especially if you are a judge.
(editor’s note: To avoid a potentially endless back and forth, Mary has decided that any further discourse on the subject from her side will likely do so through the comments section.)







As much as I would like to avoid beating a dead horse I would like to submit a few final thoughts. Yes, perhaps I missed your point but we could go back and forth arguing who missed who’s points. Although I failed to refer back to my grade eleven essay writing guidlines I believe I can pluck out my thesis statement. “Ms. Andow was misguided on all of her major points.” I believe that captures the essence.
I will also refer back to the arsonist example. Yes in both cases the house is ashes, however, in only one is the action punishable. Why? Because of motive. Murder is not classified as murder because somebody died. It is murder because somebody intentionally killed another human being.
I struggled writing this comment because I felt a certain tone within your piece that bordered, if not crossed, into personal attacks. I have much more to say but to avoid falling into that pitfall I will cut it short here.
Although I feel that Mr. Flanagan ended his side of the discussion without reverting to anger and sarcasm, excuse me if I just chime in here for a moment. I think that Ms. Andow failed to recognize what it was she was trying to address in her original piece, or if she did, she failed to convey it coherently.
I believe that is the “point” of Flanagan’s rebuttal: not to prove something one way or the other about hate crimes, but to state that Ms. Andow’s piece was a muddled argument.
I cannot fathom how Ms. Andow, in a piece about crime, claims that “morals and motivation are irrelevant”. Well, morals may-be; the subject may be a poor citizen, or perhaps insane. But like Flanagan stated in his rebuttal-piece, every action (in this case: a crime) has a thought or motivation. People don’t rob banks because it’s in trend or a part of daily routine–they do it to GET MONEY: to support a habit, to pay-off debts, etc.
In criminal court, one of the most frequently asked questions by a judge is: ‘Why did you do it?’
Hi all,
Mary here. Matt, sorry if you thought I was attacking you! Not all at. I couldn’t find your point and you couldn’t find mind. This isn’t uncommon in my experience. I have a great sense of humour and actually found your comment that my ‘tone crossed into personal attacks’ funny because I was laughing the entire time I wrote my rebuttal. Not at you but just at the fact that I had managed to drum up debate on a topic that would rarely cross my mind. My lighthearted nature when I write obviously manifests itself as sarcasm which I need to improve on. Because truly, if you were in my mind you would know that I never think about a person (especially since I’ve never laid eyes on you) and only on writing down my meandering thoughts.
We definitely have a difference of opinion and a difference in how we define certain terms. But like I said in my piece, if I were writing about my opinion, it would be much more aligned with your views than the items I wrote about.
As for BG (whoever you are!)’s comment that my piece was a muddled argument — well that may be true. It was meant to be an opinion more than an argument so I apologize if it was difficult to follow.
Time to write another piece for you both to critique (I am truly glad someone actually reads)!
Thanks,
MJA
Oh and by the way, the title was the website creator’s add-on
Yeah, the title I added as opposed to continuing the Rebuttal to Rebuttal headline. It wasn’t meant as a slight on anyone, just to kind of lighten the mood. I thought it was funny anyway, heh.
I should add that I never felt insulted or attacked, but was only trying to be cautious.